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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 19, 2021 18:33:56 GMT -5
I took care of Ginos nonsense in the KD2 thread. There’s no need to repeat myself in here.
Nothing he knocks Nas for is close to being even remotely accurate. It was just a bunch of uninformed, off base, out of touch commentary that got handled point by point. Nas is broke, played out and no ones listening? There’s far too much evidence which I easily brought up that shut all of that BS right down.
It’s easy to take Gino apart in just about any argument. Especially hip hop.
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Post by gino888 on Oct 19, 2021 18:48:57 GMT -5
how bout u read wat i said specifically about the producer thing and try and dance ur way around that buck. u are just like clockworx with eminem. this guy isnt newhere close to where he used to be. and unlike eminem he prolly could. em is legitimately dead.
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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 19, 2021 19:00:13 GMT -5
Don’t compare f**king Eminem to Nas retard.
Nas is having a revival finally getting great beats and Eminem is a wax sculpture with pube implants for a beard rapping like goofy bars 100 miles an hour.
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Post by gino888 on Oct 19, 2021 19:12:00 GMT -5
deslusional. revival my balls buck. seriously. wat a f**kin stan
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Post by Retired Monkey on Oct 19, 2021 20:45:40 GMT -5
This cant be life. This cant be a serious post. Nas is your favorite rappers favorite rapper. Omg
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Post by yodapluto on Oct 20, 2021 10:41:19 GMT -5
If a rapper makes good music, does it matter if he/she, as a fan, has bad taste???
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Post by yodapluto on Oct 20, 2021 10:49:18 GMT -5
I think a lot of people love NaS for his top 25 songs, myself included. This thread isn't about his top 25, though. It's about the other 200 songs he's made, and how most of them are pretty bad or at least boring. In other words, it's about how the majority of his music is bad, regardless of how great his top 25 are.
I've focused a lot here on the low quality of his songs from God's Son to Ni**ger. On the other hand, I made a playlist of 12-14 songs from those albums this past week, and will likely listen to it a lot, because out of the 75-ish songs he made across those albums, he made 12-14 really, really good songs. I'm fine with that and am happy to have that playlist, but I also think it's worth pointing out the other side of that: that there's around 60 bad songs across four albums (including one double album, so basically five albums). |
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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 20, 2021 11:09:20 GMT -5
We can go back and forth posting Nas songs to see who’s right if ya wanna?
I’m not trying to do that but you know I’ll win.
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Post by yodapluto on Oct 20, 2021 11:22:04 GMT -5
I mean, the numbers are kind of really stacked against you, haha.
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Post by yodapluto on Oct 20, 2021 11:24:22 GMT -5
On the other hand, one thing that would be interesting is if you were to listen to Hip Hop is Dead, and comment on each track here. As in, list each song on the album, and beside each song, leave a comment about your thoughts on it. Doesn't have to be HHID, could be any of those albums between I Am... and Ni**ger. I'd be curious to see how you felt about each song on an album, and then finally the overall album.
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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 20, 2021 11:24:40 GMT -5
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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 20, 2021 11:25:02 GMT -5
Let’s start with I Am.
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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 20, 2021 11:26:02 GMT -5
Literal chills from the opening verse.
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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 20, 2021 11:30:38 GMT -5
Next song on the album:
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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 20, 2021 11:33:00 GMT -5
I don’t know why I’m the only person defending Nas. I went like 5 pages untouched in the other tread now I’m here doing this.
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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 20, 2021 11:34:30 GMT -5
He’s not even my favorite rapper. But f**k the Nas slander from this bulls**t little website.
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Post by yodapluto on Oct 20, 2021 12:06:59 GMT -5
Keep going through I Am... Comment on every track.
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Post by yodapluto on Oct 20, 2021 12:15:33 GMT -5
Here's the thing:
I'm a really big NaS fan. Without hesitation, I'd say I'm a bigger NaS fan than the type of fans that pretend he's perfect and shoo away criticisms, because being critical of him means I'm holding him to a higher standard. I expect more from him, because I think highly of him. Those top 25 tracks are amazing, and I want all of his songs to be that good. Lesser fans want to pretend he only has 25 songs.
It's always the weirdest thing about fans: they think you being critical of an artist means you don't like that artist, when really you like them more than those lazy fans do. Those fans tolerate lower quality, meaning they enable the artist to make lesser work. Guys like Retired Monkey would apparently be fine with NaS putting out NaStradamus 2. It's wild. |
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Post by eseph84 on Oct 20, 2021 12:26:01 GMT -5
i mess with i am. i was in 9th grade and my clepto buddy stole the tape when it dropped. i borrowed it and made a blank tape copy. loved the tape only bonus track by bravehearts about goin to the store for rice crispies and the natures shine interlude! was such a fan of nate from the jump. that's how i know i was cool even though no one in school seemed to notice lol (pops his headphones back in)
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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 20, 2021 16:25:34 GMT -5
Do you do this with everybody?
These people are artists first and foremost. If they didn’t take chances and miss the mark occasionally they never woulda made the classics.
There’s plenty songs that Michael Jackson, Jimi Hendrix or Prince made that absolutely suck. Same with Parliment, Elvis, The Beatles or Pablo Picasso.
Let’s just say there’s certain incarnations or periods in these peoples careers that you like less then others and keep it at that.
Dissing there whole s**t is corny.
“Nas kinda sucks but I’m a huge fan.” Lol gtfoh.
Sounds more like you’re a fair weather fan.
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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 20, 2021 16:28:53 GMT -5
Does Wu Tang suck cuz of their last 5 solo albums?
How bout Redman?
Michael Jordan is trash son. He ain’t dunk from the foul line in YEARS.
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Post by gino888 on Oct 21, 2021 5:22:13 GMT -5
slander like hes jesus christ. f**kouttahere stanley. i worship no man
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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 21, 2021 6:43:04 GMT -5
“I WORSHIP NO MAN”
What a f**king nerd lol.
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Post by yodapluto on Oct 21, 2021 10:17:46 GMT -5
Do you do this with everybody? Actually, I do, haha.
I have compilations of all those guys you named (and everyone else), because I delete the tracks I don't like. Imo, there's too much music in the world to tolerate songs you don't love. I'll listen to a guy's whole album, and put some thought into what I like on it and why and all that, but nothing's holy, so I'll eventually delete tracks, and rearrange the tracklist.
Anyway, was listening to my comp of NaS' God's Son to Ni**er era on the drive to work this morning, and it's sounding pretty great. First two tracks are Queens Get the Money and Get down, and those are some fantastic NaS songs.
Buck, what'd you think about One Mic, off of God's Son? I'm on the fence about it. On one hand, I recognize its merits, but on the other hand, I feel like it might be a little too produced, and a little too melodramatic. I don't know...
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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 21, 2021 10:43:21 GMT -5
I never liked One Mic. It’s an auto skip for me. I trashed it when it came out.
But he tried something different and I guess it paid off. Casual rap fans will list this as one of his best. I don’t f**k with it.
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Post by eseph84 on Oct 21, 2021 10:56:01 GMT -5
gerd dangit one mic is from stillmatic 88!~
and it was the best song that year.
the momentum of the album def climaxes on that song after rewind another crazy classic gem
who are you guys? the Hip Hop police lol
we have diff tastes us3 (not the group) but damn really shocked u trashed it instantly buck. far from a casual fan even at that time albeit i was in high school and didn't know as much then as i do now but yo one mic was a 5 star classic cut.
true story - i am the king of doing that song karaoke. proven fact i also rock the house w get down everytime or made ya look or xmas in hollis
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Post by buckthadevil on Oct 21, 2021 11:13:24 GMT -5
There’s probably 3 bad songs on Stillmatic. One Mic is one of them.
Classic
Classic
Classic
Let’s not forget about Stillmatic Intro, Got Yourself A Gun, Ether.
I probably played Jay Z Blueprint more but Stillmatic is a great album.
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Post by eseph84 on Oct 21, 2021 12:23:51 GMT -5
i was all stillmatic back then. no blueprint. hated izzo, renegade, hola hovito. cmon far from a perfect album either. as i got older i liked it more, but still illmatic anyday. just hated braveheart party w mary. take that off and you're good.
the bravehearts got screwed but really cant be mad. i think nas tried to market his brothers group to be marketable in commericial rap after oochie wally kinda popped off but ever feature on a nas album after that was hot garbage.
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Post by yodapluto on Oct 21, 2021 12:57:20 GMT -5
The tracks I f**k with (and kept) off Stilmmatic:
Destroy & Rebuild - This, imo, is a way better diss track than Ether, because it's an actual song and has a good beat. Ether's beat was terrible. I get that Ether was a diss to a higher profile rapper, but D&B wins for me.
You're Da Man - Love the beat and the mood of the beat. Those drums. Large Pro killed it here, and NaS met it.
Rewind - Another great Large Pro beat. People talk about DJ Premier and NaS a lot, but NaS should have connected with Large Pro more over the years.
2nd Childhood - Great Preemo beat, NaS does his thing.
What Goes Around - This one, I'm kind of on the fence, but it's a good final track for my compilation of the best tracks from Lost Tapes and Stillmatic.
I deleted the rest of the songs from Stillmatic. 5 songs is really good, compared to how much I kept from the next four albums.
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Post by yodapluto on Oct 21, 2021 12:59:01 GMT -5
I never really thought about it before, but why the hell didn't NaS use the Destroy & Rebuild beat for his Jay-Z diss, and use the Ether beat for his Cormega diss? Would have made way more sense to use the far superior beat for the bigger diss track. Surprised I never thought of that before just now.
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