Whats one of the dumbest rap opinions to you

"it was written" is a better album than "illmatic" could be the dumbest rap opinion in history...

yup ... lyrical content was also a step down ... he was less creative, the only good concept was stolen from organized...

this ones priceless too: "nelly murked KRS-ONE". hahahahahahahaha

the delusion.

Have to agree , people put that up as a classic too

^ I agree ... black thought was one of the very few emcees of the 90s that improved with every new album ... he already was a very good emcee on organix but his performance on "things fall apart" is phenomenal - that's when he peaked imo...

^yup. good point.

"eminem is the goat" is a really big one. so far from the truth.

^ naw. real rap has certain elements. try again loosey goosey. i know you like every album but dont pretend its all raw, real rap.

Cosign white jesus about the "real hip hop" thing. That mentality is for man child type of people.

^give it a rest 88- you and these other s**t starters just want to play contrary games, correct and compete with people on here. Raw always meant not processed or fake as in rough and natural etc. Hard beats and in heavy and hitting strong or "hard" like a hard beat down. You seem to be projecting your sub conscious, latent h**osexual tendencies and personal gay perception of those terms onto others when its you thats thinking about them that way. lol I highly doubt those terms were introduced as a subliminal to manipulate. either way, play along with the thread op or please dont bother stirring up s**t.

real rap is a thing and its not commercial, soft or having weak beats.

"I'm not gay, you are!"

Great discourse.

Here's my contribution to the thread:

A really dumb opinion I see A LOT is when people think that any sort of criticism is an attack. And I see it in hip hop fans often, because the culture has a real insider's club mentality, where any negative comment is dismissed by trying to discredit the commentator (they're deemed an outsider who just doesn't "get it"). As in, "if they're not a 'real' fan, then who cares what they think!?" Underground hip hop is especially susceptible to this, because of the forever deepening rabbit hole of fandom. You could always know more, so you could always be dismissed by the gatekeepers as a know-nothing tourist. I see it ALL the time (see: wicked and no mask's entire history on ughh).

This overly sensitive reaction to negative criticism fails to recognize that sometimes negative criticism can come from people who consider themselves fans. These fans hold higher expectations for the artists they love, and respect the artist enough to be just as honest about being disappointed, as they are honest when they're satisfied. To be wholly praising of an artist, despite their occasional obvious faults doesn't make you a bigger fan. It actually makes you a lesser one, because it makes you dishonest. And the gut reaction to dismiss anyone with negative criticism is low brow tribal thinking. A lot of artists love these forever faithful fans, but that's exactly why those artists never improve: they cater to the yes man, not the honest fans.

Consider this: I'll write a long comment about how good a new album is, where I get really into the details about why it works so well. Other users who also liked it will agree and say, "good post!" BUT, I'll write a comment that's just as long and just as detailed in another thread about an album I disliked, and those same posters (who liked this second album) will grow dismissve and say I'm "being too picky". I've even seen posters I consider good and I like react this way. It's contradicting and wrong. It's a bad opinion to buy into fandom to the ooint of dismissing any hinest but negative commentary.

^ oh no, 88. always trying to get in drawn out cyclic debate and compete. writing long rambling essays etc. long winded. criticism is one thing but being and antagonistic smart a** is what you do. very different. and articulate!? im on a rap forum pal and dont put too much effort into what i type.lol why would i? but that being said i am articulate many times on here and happen to be one of the only dudes who goes into any depth whatsoever when talking about an album, project, emcee or whatever. truth is your far from more informed or articulate than me so leave it at that. once again your ego is battling me cause you need to feel superior.

a handful of you always derail threads by being hyper competitive antagonistic bozos with your delusional s**t.

There's some more moving of the goal posts for you. In some ways, he's super serious about all this -- how he's a "real" fan and we're not -- but he can pretend to not be serious about it when it helps him be dismissive or make excuses. Such as acting like he doesn't put a lot of effort into his posts, because who would on a hip hop forum? Uh, he would. He argues and argues until the other person gets tired and gives up. That's by defintion more effort than anyone else is willing to put in, because it's based on the idea of taking the argument so seriously the other guy will give up in the face of such stubborn will. it's an often demonstrated fact, even in this very convo, how serious no mask takes all this. Yet he pretends he doesn't take it seriously, as an excuse for his lazy reliance on generic terms.

Hypocrisy, amirite?

yawn.. its you and a couple others that stir s**t up and get me into the debates.... besides that, my comments are not very thought out and have very little effort usually.

88 derails the thread, doesnt go along with the thread concept (contribute), acts like a catty school girl(antagonizes me) and then trys to say he's on point. lol

you should join a debate forum 88. you'd do OK there.

not responding to you and your delusional psychobabble and self deceived perspective anymore.

contribute or keep it movin. save the petty argumentative ego games.