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Post by neonphenom on Mar 24, 2024 18:18:03 GMT -5
this beat crooked as hell, pretty sharp
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Post by ern on Mar 26, 2024 20:45:53 GMT -5
Misery Loves Comedy and Sin-A-Matic were good albums, this ain't it though lol
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Post by neonphenom on Mar 26, 2024 22:26:52 GMT -5
Your exactly right dis beat is fire
People dunno
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Post by Your Good Egg on Mar 27, 2024 1:12:21 GMT -5
I always liked Louis Logic, I thought this was a new album at first, but looking on bandcamp it is from a "collection of rare, exclusive outtake and guest appearance songs ranging from 2004 - 2013."
I don't mind the song.
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Post by gino888 on Mar 27, 2024 7:56:41 GMT -5
His early mix tapes along with the albums ern said were great. People turned ther back wen the demigodz and aotp rappers saw him in lingerie at a piano on stage. I get it but he didn't have to have his career crushed. Got the chief kamachi treatment
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Post by neonphenom on Mar 27, 2024 10:02:20 GMT -5
your an expert
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Post by neonphenom on Mar 27, 2024 10:23:17 GMT -5
the lyrics in dis one is tight of the first verse
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Post by |=| on Mar 27, 2024 15:06:39 GMT -5
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Post by eseph84 on Mar 27, 2024 15:13:42 GMT -5
His early mix tapes along with the albums ern said were great. People turned ther back wen the demigodz and aotp rappers saw him in lingerie at a piano on stage. I get it but he didn't have to have his career crushed. Got the chief kamachi treatment demigodz fell off when he left too. they all suffered imo. yeah ap and celph dropped more material but nothing monumental besides the celph and buck album. i can't front thats a near perfect album by celph. you know what i did like killmatic
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Post by ern on Mar 27, 2024 17:54:38 GMT -5
His early mix tapes along with the albums ern said were great. People turned ther back wen the demigodz and aotp rappers saw him in lingerie at a piano on stage. I get it but he didn't have to have his career crushed. Got the chief kamachi treatment demigodz fell off when he left too. they all suffered imo. yeah ap and celph dropped more material but nothing monumental besides the celph and buck album. i can't front thats a near perfect album by celph. you know what i did like killmatic they did not fall off after he left lol. they only dropped the godz must be crazy and killmatic. esoteric went on to have dope solo albums, production and start czarface. apathy and celph went on to be some of the most successful UGHH rappers i would think. with dope albums. ryu had his styles of beyond fort minor linkin park s**t going on. blacastan put out alot of work RIP. where was the fall off besides the more obscure members who didnt do much and disappeared?
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Post by ern on Mar 27, 2024 18:04:07 GMT -5
His early mix tapes along with the albums ern said were great. People turned ther back wen the demigodz and aotp rappers saw him in lingerie at a piano on stage. I get it but he didn't have to have his career crushed. Got the chief kamachi treatment they didnt end his career, has anyone even said anything about it? i remember louis talked about it in an interview how celph and apathy didnt really talk to him anymore after that but they never dissed him. i mean lingerie at a piano on stage isnt very hip hop he looked crazy lol. he had a fanbase he could of kept doing his thing like he absolutely needed demigodz support? chief could of kept putting out music too, shame they didn't.
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Post by 98lurker on Mar 27, 2024 19:01:36 GMT -5
The lingerie thing was probably the nail in the coffin, but if my memory is correct… i think him falling out of favor started with a Vinnie Paz & JJ Brown beef.
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Post by gino888 on Mar 27, 2024 19:05:06 GMT -5
Didnt paz have beef with all the philly guys at one point ?? King mag, demoz , doap Nixon
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Post by ern on Mar 27, 2024 22:27:46 GMT -5
The lingerie thing was probably the nail in the coffin, but if my memory is correct… i think him falling out of favor started with a Vinnie Paz & JJ Brown beef. what's the story on that beef Big Lurk
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Post by ern on Mar 27, 2024 22:28:37 GMT -5
Didnt paz have beef with all the philly guys at one point ?? King mag, demoz , doap Nixon mike kings from philly too lol
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Post by 98lurker on Mar 28, 2024 10:01:14 GMT -5
the stuff with King Magnetic and Doap Nixon happened within the past 5 years (probably about similar stuff to the Chief Kamachi beef), the beef with Louis Logic/JJ Brown happened over 20 years ago. I don't remember exactly what happened, but I think it was something similar to what happened with Virtuoso (Virtuoso supposedly stole the masters for "Beatdown" from Brick Records and then released it on his own Omnipotent Records, which is why there wasn't any new material featuring Esoteric or Paz on the Voice of Reason album...or anything since). I can't remember if anything was stolen in this situation, maybe JJ Brown was just convincing Louis Logic not to f**k with Superegular Recordings any more. Anyway, I once heard/read Apathy say that Louis Logic was never his people, he was Celph's boy... and once Celph went super thug as opposed to rapping over Imperial Guard instrumentals...Louis Logic going Drag wasn't really fitting in with the Demigods/AOTP persona (sort of like when Virtuoso released "Want Me" in addition to him stealing "Beatdown").
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Post by 98lurker on Mar 28, 2024 10:32:22 GMT -5
btw, I don't think anyone ended Louis Logic's career (or Chief Kamachi, or Virtuoso, or Jus Allah, etc.). I think 80% of being a creative professional is sustained initiative/drive/personality and obviously Vinnie Paz, Esoteric, and Apathy have a lot of that, regardless of what you think about the music. They took advantage of their opportunities. Goretex disappeared for like 10 years because he had a falling out with the guys (Necro and Ill Bill) that made it all happen...it's not like they blackballed him, he just wasn't equipped to take responsibility for his own career.
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Post by eseph84 on Mar 28, 2024 15:58:42 GMT -5
good s**t lurk..
i like a lil bit by all these guys if not a lot (big 7l eso fan)
never knew about that with virt and why they never worked together anymore. he was stupid for doing that. voice of reason was his only good album.
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Post by yakoub on Mar 28, 2024 22:31:27 GMT -5
It Wasn't aotp turning on Lou that ruin career, it was Lou loyalty to them when el p wanted to sign him to def jux... but Lou was Celph boy n celph knocked cage out. He would have been better fit on def jux, plus aotp cracker team turned backs on him later on anyway. Cage went indie pop n hung out with Cudi. Lou could easy been in the limo with them
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Post by ern on Mar 29, 2024 3:02:25 GMT -5
remember when virtuoso tried to get into reggaeton lol
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Post by 98lurker on Mar 29, 2024 10:29:39 GMT -5
yakoub, I don't remember that with Def Jux...but I could see it. Either way, yeah, all the beef(s) boiled down to loyalty and ambition...just young people trying to figure out how to have a career from the music. AOTP/Demigodz were more of real crew to me than Weathermen. Weathermen/Def Jux were like the Sugar Hill Gang of the indie scene with El-P playing the roll of Sylvia Robinson. The core of AOTP/Demigodz have been doing it (and still collaborating) for almost 30 years... Weathermen rode a trendy wave for like 3.
Also, about Virtuoso, I just remembered that around the same time that he took "Beatdown" away from Brick Records he poached Jus Allah from Jedi Mind Tricks and onto Omnipotent Records. Some of us probably already know what happened from there, or we know the legend of it: Bomshot literally stealing Jus Allah's masters to put out the Devil Rejectz album and making a deal with Chuck Wilson (Babygrande) once Jus Allah flaked on recording All Fates Have Changed. Again, this is just my memory of it... no inside knowledge, I was just a huge fan of these guys (individually and later as a crew) way back when. I went to probably the last show that Paz, Eso, Virt, and Jus ever performed all together at the Middle East in Boston in 2000. Truthfully, I was pretty crushed when it fell apart. When you're a teenager time moves real slow... so 97-2000 felt like I had devoted a ton of time to being a fan. lol.
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Post by yakoub on Mar 29, 2024 10:47:21 GMT -5
Def jux info was from Lou interview on rap reviews website. Weathermen mixtape was wack. Songs on east conf comps was tight. You wise man lurk. Comes down to will. Lou could have use lane with anti con artists, dose one, sage Francis, cage, serengeti, etc. His pop wasn't as interesting as his straight up rap tho. As for today. No excuse for no work if rapper. Ten dollar amazon mic, beats from slovakia, garage band, done. Goretex, menelik, diverse, get on job
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Post by 98lurker on Mar 30, 2024 8:46:18 GMT -5
peeps, since I couldn't remember the details of the JJ Brown & Paz beef I decided to do some internet searching based on some tidbits that I did remember, mainly that it involved "Superegular" and JJ Brown calling Paz a "street punk". Lo and behold, I found two interviews from the same outlet...one with JJ Brown and one with Louis Logic...and it all came back to me. www.mvremix.com/urban/interviews/jjbrown.shtmlwww.mvremix.com/urban/interviews/louislogic.shtmlWithout any historical context, JJ Brown sounds like a reasonable fella who is just trying to be professional (with the exception that he greatly overstates the importance of studio engineering). However, listen to the below interview from a couple of years ago (yakoub, they mention the Def Jux thing) and add the context of the last 25 years... and I come to the simple conclusion that Paz and crew were just trying to build their own thing (which they did) while JJ Brown and Louis Logic are really just a couple of star f**king clowns who were trying to find commercial success within the existing corporate structure. It didn't quite work out for them...and they know it.
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Post by Grayscale on Mar 31, 2024 18:23:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the info lurker. GP’s
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Post by gino888 on Apr 10, 2024 5:55:24 GMT -5
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